JSouthworth wrote:
In London at the moment there is a problem of organised sexual abuse which appears to be linked to corruption in the police. There have been a number of instances in recent years of models being invited to club events or photo shoots and then being gang-raped. In most cases the persons responsible have not been prosecuted. Be very careful.

Anybody reading the above and wondering whether it's true should review JSouthworth's activity on this site. I really do not understand why the site continues to allow him to post his scaremongering nonsense, or to further his vendetta against the police.

JSouthworth wrote:
Read the stories, judge for yourself:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/77364 … icking-uk/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … tclub.html

Part of the problem is that the courts are reticent about sending corrupt police officers to prison, even when there is clear evidence as in the Stephen Lawrence murder case. Perhaps they're nervous of taking that responsibility; bad things can happen to police officers in prison. Even so, lessons must be taught.

I read the stories and my judgement is you are one of the most dishonest posters in these forums.

The first reference is to a four year old article about a rape 16 years prior.

The second article is fourteen years old.

NEITHER article has anything to do with "the courts are reticent about sending corrupt police officers to prison, even when there is clear evidence "

You spread misinformation, use phony references, and make unsupported accusations. You should be banned from this site permanently.

Focuspuller wrote:
I read the stories and my judgement is you are one of the most dishonest posters in these forums.

The first reference is to a four year old article about a rape 16 years prior.

The second article is fourteen years old.

NEITHER article has anything to do with "the courts are reticent about sending corrupt police officers to prison, even when there is clear evidence "

You spread misinformation, use phony references, and make unsupported accusations. You should be banned from this site permanently.

So you know London, do you? I lived there for a few years.

Historically, the Metropolitan Police have often been corrupt, at times ridiculously so:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/jan … ancampbell

And here's a more recent story about police corruption in London. There is a lot about this in the media at the moment.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/the … ing-bribes

Relating this to the rape incidents, it seems quite plausible that the people involved were able to avoid prosecution through bribing police officers.

JSouthworth wrote:
So you know London, do you? I lived there for a few years.

Historically, the Metropolitan Police have often been corrupt, at times ridiculously so:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/jan … ancampbell

And here's a more recent story about police corruption in London. There is a lot about this in the media at the moment.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/the … ing-bribes

Relating this to the rape incidents, it seems quite plausible that the people involved were able to avoid prosecution through bribing police officers.

More raw sewage. "So you know London, do you?"

No , but I can read. NEITHER of your "sources", one seven years old, the other 23 years old about a case 50 years prior, have ANYTHING to do with police corruption in rape cases TODAY, despite what "seems quite plausible" to your fevered, conspiracist, thought processes.

Do you actually believe that whatever pops into your brain is valid evidence of whatever theory you are going on about at the time? REALLY?

Focuspuller wrote:
More raw sewage. "So you know London, do you?"

No , but I can read. NEITHER of your "sources", one seven years old, the other 23 years old about a case 50 years prior, have ANYTHING to do with police corruption in rape cases TODAY, despite what "seems quite plausible" to your fevered, conspiracist, thought processes.

Do you actually believe that whatever pops into your brain is valid evidence of whatever theory you are going on about at the time? REALLY?

The answer to the question is no.. somehow I thought that might be the case.

If as it appears, Metropolitan Police officers have been extorting money from club owners, it's only a small step from that to taking bribes from pimps and rapists. In addition to that, we know that one of the gang rape incidents took place in one of the clubs involved. I would say that the probability of a connection is in the region of 95 percent.

JSouthworth wrote:

The answer to the question is no.. somehow I thought that might be the case.

If as it appears, Metropolitan Police officers have been extorting money from club owners, it's only a small step from that to taking bribes from pimps and rapists. In addition to that, we know that one of the gang rape incidents took place in one of the clubs involved. I would say that the probability of a connection is in the region of 95 percent.

In other words, you have provided zero support to your allegations other than your evidence-free "small steps" of inference. Do you even know the meaning of the word "proof"? How's the case against Alec Baldwin going? 😂

JSouthworth wrote:
The answer to the question is no.. somehow I thought that might be the case.

If as it appears, Metropolitan Police officers have been extorting money from club owners, it's only a small step from that to taking bribes from pimps and rapists. In addition to that, we know that one of the gang rape incidents took place in one of the clubs involved. I would say that the probability of a connection is in the region of 95 percent.

I know London well having lived, studied and worked there. I'm also a member of an ancient City of London society which means I visit regularly, including last weekend and the weekend coming. I'm therefore adequately qualified, according to your criteria, to offer an opinion; one based on first-hand experience over an extended period of time.

It's abundantly clear to most people I think that anything you say, about anything at all, cannot be relied upon. It's evident from your forum activity that you are a vile fantasist with a vendetta against the police, against models/photographers generally and that you have a total disregard for other forum users. You have an unhealthy interest in weapons which many people find disconcerting. You have a reputation amongst UK models which means few will have anything at all to do with you. You publicly accused a model who left you a 'turned up but not recommended' reference of being an under-cover police officer who tried to entrap you into sex during a shoot. This demonstrates exactly the kind of person you are. As a consequence you've been either permanently banned, or you've had your forum posting ability withdrawn, from all the UK modelling sites. But for some reason Model Mayhem likes to have you here.

Well, so be it.

But back to the London modelling situation. Let me be clear, just in case anyone reading this doesn't already know, that you're 'full of it'.

P R E S T O N wrote:
I know London well having lived, studied and worked there. I'm also a member of an ancient City of London society which means I visit regularly, including last weekend and the weekend coming. I'm therefore adequately qualified, according to your criteria, to offer an opinion; one based on first-hand experience over an extended period of time.

It's abundantly clear to most people I think that anything you say, about anything at all, cannot be relied upon. It's evident from your forum activity that you are a vile fantasist with a vendetta against the police, against models/photographers generally and that you have a total disregard for other forum users. You have an unhealthy interest in weapons which many people find disconcerting. You have a reputation amongst UK models which means few will have anything at all to do with you. You publicly accused a model who left you a 'turned up but not recommended' reference of being an under-cover police officer who tried to entrap you into sex during a shoot. This demonstrates exactly the kind of person you are. As a consequence you've been either permanently banned, or you've had your forum posting ability withdrawn, from all the UK modelling sites. But for some reason Model Mayhem likes to have you here.

Well, so be it.

But back to the London modelling situation. Let me be clear, just in case anyone reading this doesn't already know, that you're 'full of it'.

And you are, or were a police officer, so you're hardly likely to be impartial. But that doesn't mean I have to be rude about it.

JSouthworth wrote:
The battle against corruption is one that the Metropolitan Police have been consistently losing since the 1950s;

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/14036758/th … e-of-duty/

Putting the licensing system for the whole of central London into the hands of two people was objectively stupid. It suggests the existence of a working culture within the force that accepts large scale corruption as being inevitable and acceptable.

You don't bother to read your own "sources," do you? Did you miss this gem?

"...it all ended in 1971 with the arrival of A10, the ­Metropolitan Police’s anti-corruption unit."

I realize that is only 50 years ago...just yesterday in your fantasy world.

OH, and yet again, NOTHING about your original charge about corrupt coppers in rape cases - "Relating this to the rape incidents, it seems quite plausible that the people involved were able to avoid prosecution through bribing police officers."

Plausible? To YOU? Using your now-famous FAULTY LOGIC and IRRELEVANT SOURCES? Please. We are all LAUGHING.

JSouthworth wrote:
"...it all ended in 1971 with the arrival of A10, the ­Metropolitan Police’s anti-corruption unit."


Pretty obviously it didn't end in 1971. .

Novel approach, disputing your own source. 😂😂😂

P R E S T O N wrote:
You publicly accused a model who left you a 'turned up but not recommended' reference of being an under-cover police officer who tried to entrap you into sex during a shoot.

I don't think anyone who has seen the pictures from that shoot (they are visible on this and other websites) would be in any real doubt as the identity of the model concerned as an undercover police officer. I didn't ask her to do a prostitute's pointing pose, she did it spontaneously. To ask a model to do that would be asking too much in most instances, it's too provocative or too caricatured for most people. I have never seen another model do that. So I cannot complain about that shoot from a value for money perspective. It was done on a part-paid basis, £25.00 plus the use of the pictures.

To say that she tried to entrap me into having sex with her is ridiculous, she was of course trying to get me to proposition her so that she and her partner could arrest me, but this failed to work because I anticipated it as a possibility before the shoot. In any case I'm not in the habit of paying models for sex.

In the UK, undercover police operations have to be authorised by senior officers, I can believe that the female officer involved was acting under orders and doing her job, so for that reason I don't hold it against her personally. I would like an explanation from the person who was in fact responsible.

The pictures from the shoot are actually very good, they constitute a unique photographic record and they may also have started a local trend in edge fashion, I notice that a large secondhand clothing store in Hull has sold out of leather tank tops.

Focuspuller wrote:
Novel approach, disputing your own source. 😂😂😂

The article as a whole is quite informative, it's just that one statement that lets it down somewhat. And if you think a debating society point like that is worth anybody else's time, you're sadly deluded.

JSouthworth wrote:
The article as a whole is quite informative, it's just that one statement that lets it down somewhat. And if you think a debating society point like that is worth anybody else's time, you're sadly deluded.

You mean those pesky "debating society points" that  annoyingly undermine your position and lose debates for you? 😂

And if anybody knows "delusion"...